Discussion in 'Beer Travel, Events and Releases' started by Digita7693, Jan 28, 2016.
Too bad (kind of?) that that fuckface got banned from here.
I'm not, someone from another board sent a screenshot
I don't understand this comment.
Ah ok, I am with you though fuck people that buy beer just to profit off of it.
That guy is creepy. I see him at events in Seattle and can't not think about the things I've heard.
Ft: lambic iso: nut punch to that guy
you mean "Jeff Kramer?"
I had a conversation with Mr. Kramer, and he said he did not attend nor did he have any mules come to the event. He was facilitating that razzle for someone else. He did not take that particular one down because money had already changed hands, but said he refused to put up several others after my request and explaining the situation.
BFNA certainly benefits from the existence of a secondary market for beer and the knowledge derived from that market. Obviously, I think there is a big difference between using that market in the instance of our event where breweries and individuals donate to us and 100% of the proceeds go to a great cause vs. immediately flipping bottles for massive personal profit.
What's particularly shameful in this instance is that those beers were specifically commissioned to directly benefit homeless, at-risk, and foster youth in Portland. I realize it can be a bit of a shitty place out there in the beer world lately, but why any individual would purchase extra bottles of those beers and immediately think, "Hey, I can make some money off of these!" is just beyond me. If someone finds a 'deal' at our auction and decides to flip bottles, I don't particularly like it, but I'm not going to raise the issue with anyone. When we have collaboration beers specifically made to benefit the cause and individuals are making money flipping them, that disturbs me. Shitlords gonna shitlord I guess.
On a happier note, I just want to echo Digita's sentiments - THANK YOU ALL! We set what I thought was a pretty ambitious goal of $100k this year, and we completely crushed it. Every year we think about how can we possibly top the last one, but the generosity of the beer community the world over continues to amaze me! Save the date for next year on August 19th!
Additionally, we still have a handful of cases of each de Garde/AltBrau/BFNA Avenue No. 1 & Avenue No. 2 remaining. If you are interested in purchasing (you'll need to have someone in Portland who can pick them up/ship them on your behalf), shoot me a PM and I'll send you instructions.
I have issue with people buying just to flip. Takes the fun out of the event, and really isn't what it is about. I overheard a couple conversations around the silent auctions about selling that made me mad. I can gather broadly what the conversation is about, but color me clueless otherwise. Can someone fill me in?
Honestly, you are better off just ignoring this stuff. Like teddyarrowhead said, Shitlords gonna shitlord. The other 96% are great people.
Beer has become pretty ridiculous around here (thanks to all of us) and this event is the only time that I am happy to see these prices. If your primary goal is to enrich yourself then you are doing it wrong and you are missing the point of this event; helping someone out who is less fortunate than you. I certainly hope these people figure it out.
I would like to say thanks to the organizers, New Avenues employees, and volunteers for all their hard work. It was a great event and continues to be a positive force in the local and international community. I can't wait for the next one!
Yeah. I always spend too much, buy too much, donate too much. and have too good a time. Always catching up with friends I have not seen in a while, and giddy seeing what all my donations go for. I always pick up stuff as the year goes by specifically for this. Happy to help, and love the people involved and what they do. Thanks everyone! Just don't like the shitlord attitude... where did that word come from? So much I miss out on, lol.
I'm not sure exactly, but I've always assumed Dark Lord Day.
Ah, yeah, I can see that!
A friend of mine was using the word "shitlord" to describe people long before I ever heard it ascribed to people from the beer community. Fairly certain it has nothing to do with Dark Lord Day.
But it would be so metal if it originated at DLD.
Was trying to make a joke. Just one more in a long string of failures.
Anyone in the PDX area able to pickup/ship some BFNA bottles? Could do a gopickitupformebro in return from my New England trip coming up.
Some press from the event
American Craft Beer
If anyone is looking for someone to ship any of the Avenue 1 or 2, I will be your huckleberry.
This event was a blast and it was incredible to see the outpouring of support for this cause.
The degardebrewing beers were fantastic and if you want a chance to support this awesome cause, this is a great chance to do so. Just pm me and teddyarrowhead and I'd be happy to make it happen.