Proxy etiquette

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Help' started by sharpski, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. sharpski

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    I know proxying is a grey area, but I think trading etiquette is the most relevant approximation so I hope y'all can help me out.

    Dave is a member of a beer club far away from him, so he asks Bob to be a proxy on his behalf. Bob picks up the bottles as arranged, and Dave sends a shipping label. Bob packs the bottles and ships to Dave. Some of the bottles are damaged in transit and are returned to Bob (Dave's shipping label didn't specify an alcohol shipment, so the carrier returns the package vs. delivering to Dave). Should Bob replace the bottles (if that's even possible) and/or pay for the 2nd attempt at shipping? I know what the answers would be if it were a straight-up trade, but does the proxy situation change that?
     
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  2. tosh

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    If Bob packed stuff okay it is all on Dave.

    That said if I am Bob I am doing my best to replace stuff. But i am not sure I am paying for shipping.

    End of day, i think me and the people I send to would muddle it out without the need to start a thread about it.

    Someone once said communication was the key....it is.
     
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  3. libbey

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    As someone who has proxied I wouldn’t want to assume any of the risk of beers that where sent. Granted my proxies are giving me styrofoam shippers to ship with but if something was to happen in transit I wouldn’t be looking to assume any costs. I’m all ready picking up your beers and packing and shipping them for you as a favor.

    I also don’t expect anything for those I’ve proxied for. It’s a favor I’ve done for friends. The majority of which I’ve swapped suds with so much over the years that if something happened to the box I would probably include a couple of soothing beer of tasty to help ease the pain of their suffering on their end.

    But in the end it’s their risk. I’m just a helping hand.
     
  4. sharpski

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    Bob used a styro shipper, so he feels pretty confident it was a decent packing job. He just wishes he'd wrapped a garbage bag around the shipper so it got to its destination. Agreed about communication preventing the need for a thread like this, but that requires both Bob AND Dave's participation.
     
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  5. wuntrikpony

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    I'm more curious as to how the hell bottles got damaged in a styro. Those things can take some serious beating.
     
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  6. sharpski

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    Fedex returned the survivors in a different box, so I Bob can't be sure, but it was more likely cork/bottle failure than impact damage. The corks are pretty legendarily stout, but mixed fermentation can lead to high pressure.
     
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  7. Podunkparte

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    Dave has to assume some risk in a hobby that requires this transaction. Sorry Dave, a couple of your bottles won't be arriving. Doesn't sound like Bob's fault so suck it up and take the sunken cost and chalk it up to shit happens.
     
  8. RyanMcFly1985

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    This is the correct answer.
     
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  9. jvanaus

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    Personal experience: JBoogie is my trustee for Cigar City. I sent him a few 12 shippers a while back and he uses those once there are 12 bottles to ship, then I send him a label. If any of those bottles are damaged, it was at my request he use the shipper and it's my label, so that's the risk I take and absolutely would not hold him liable for any replacement bottles.

    If your Bob's friend supplied the label, did he put himself as the "to" and the "from" address? IIRC, the shipping company would have no choice but to deliver to the only address on the label unless they're tracking the exact place the box was picked up. Sounds like Dave fucked up with the label.
     
  10. sharpski

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    Dave used Bob's home address as the "from" address; Fed Ex called Bob to come pick up the package at the nearby station rather than deliver to Bob's home.
     
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  11. The Ryan

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    Bob sounds like a good-natured man with great work ethic, but does he suffer from multiple phobias? Also, is he divorced because his ex-wife likes Neil Diamond?
     
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  12. sharpski

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    Get out of Bob’s head!
     
  13. JBoogie

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    As long as the pack job is solid there should be an understanding from Dave....er...Bob....whoever the fuck is getting the bottles!...before going into this whole agreement that even when packed correctly there are several variables/unexpected elements that can still cause a faulty shipment. As jvanaus pointed out...when you ask someone to proxy you should go into it expecting some bad shit could happen and be prepared to potentially eat a loss at some point.

    Having said that...me personally if I ship something and I know I packed it right I will still feel obligated to send some other stuff to make up for it. Regardless of fault, it sucks and someone who was supposed to get beer didn’t. So I’ll try to help fix that. I also send jvanaus a picture of his shipper when I’ve packed it to get his approval. That gives him the opportunity to let me know if he thinks the pack job is good or if it needs more attention. At the end of the day, as tosh said I think communication is paramount and can solve most of these situations amicably.
     
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  14. BadJustin

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    This. If I lost a de Garde box of club beers, I wouldn't even think of obligating my proxy to send more and personally, he is not obligated to. It's an assumed risk when shipping beer across country, I know it sucks but it is what it is.
     
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  15. KevSal

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  16. GreenMtnMike

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    I picked up a really useful phrase down south years ago. It’s a great catch-all if you agree to help someone do something risky/stupid/illegal/morally questionable, and then they ask you for advice in the middle of it.

    “You’re fuckin’ this fish, I’m just holding the tail.”
     
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  17. FoudreGuy

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    I've had A̶l̶e̶ ̶A̶p̶o̶t̶h̶e̶c̶a̶r̶y̶ random corks pop off during the winter in my below grade garage, so it's not that shocking.
     
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